I dunno what criteria you're using for "direct attribution"

I dunno what criteria you're using for "direct attribution" .....
By: Robert_Wyatt (Gamers; 2561)
Posted on: 03-28-2012 18:57.
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Things like Holomodor are not cut and dry, largely because the Ukrainians themselves destroyed their own crops in protest.

"Directly attributable" or not?

How is Soviet intervention in Hungary different than US intervention in various Latin America locals? Same for Africa?

Foxconn blame on the Chinese or the Americans who are the ones who pay for it?

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"I've been everything politically. A Communist, a Smallholder, you name it. I don't think in those terms any more. So I'm shooting the bastards and trying to defend the decent people. We're likelier to get somewhere that way." Jozsef Dudas

And Mookie. Always. Always do the right thing. - Paul, 03-28-2012 13:24 (Views: 296; Replies: 82)

He is such a punk. [nt] - Catfish, 03-28-2012 13:31 (Views: 364)

re: - Robert_Wyatt, 03-28-2012 19:37 (Views: 296)

Honestly, he should be jailed. Even if it was the right address, what the fuck.[nt] - Paul, 03-28-2012 13:56 (Views: 285)

not a crime to post an address on twitter.... - P. Briscoe, 03-28-2012 14:20 (Views: 267)

If the obvious intent is to incite violence, I dunno. Also interfering with investigation? [nt] - Paul, 03-28-2012 14:32 (Views: 269)

I think violence has already been incited and all of this is the fallout. [nt] - Robert_Wyatt, 03-28-2012 14:52 (Views: 254)

I guess we could get into the differences, but they're pretty clear to me. - Paul, 03-28-2012 14:59 (Views: 298)

Can't agree about "proper investigation". - Robert_Wyatt, 03-28-2012 15:11 (Views: 285)

so let's lynch all the ("White Hispanic") crackers? I don't get it... - P. Briscoe, 03-28-2012 15:33 (Views: 307)

In most situations, a black man is his own worst enemy - Glenn, 03-28-2012 17:43 (Views: 287)

This. - Paul, 03-28-2012 16:23 (Views: 359)

Yeah. Violence is a cultural thing with black people. Solves the problem, right there. [nt] - Robert_Wyatt, 03-28-2012 15:42 (Views: 291)

Those are fair points. Still doesn't excuse Spike or other racists.[nt] - Paul, 03-28-2012 15:12 (Views: 251)

If the system wasnt such an abject failure there probably wouldnt be this type of reaction [nt] - Robert_Wyatt, 03-28-2012 15:14 (Views: 270)

That's a reason, not a justification.[nt] - Paul, 03-28-2012 15:17 (Views: 268)

Failure is justification enough. [nt] - Robert_Wyatt, 03-28-2012 15:24 (Views: 234)

Calm down, Vladimir... - P. Briscoe, 03-28-2012 15:52 (Views: 252)

Revolutionary violence is a necessity. - Robert_Wyatt, 03-28-2012 16:02 (Views: 302)

But our justice system is the ONLY defense against... - P. Briscoe, 03-28-2012 16:18 (Views: 270)

Our justice system doesn't defend. It prosecutes. - Robert_Wyatt, 03-28-2012 16:27 (Views: 310)

On history.... - P. Briscoe, 03-28-2012 16:47 (Views: 270)

Exchange proletariat with bourgeois and hows that any different then now? [nt] - Robert_Wyatt, 03-28-2012 17:55 (Views: 289)

it`s all about power and who has it. - P. Briscoe, 03-28-2012 18:48 (Views: 315)

Yet modern Russians remember the USSR fondly and Castro is legitimately popular in Cuba. [nt] - Robert_Wyatt, 03-28-2012 19:01 (Views: 286)

Here's a testimony from a Hungarian who lived through the Revolution - Robert_Wyatt, 03-28-2012 19:02 (Views: 303)

Perhaps you should move to Cuba. - Bean, 03-28-2012 19:10 (Views: 246)

I'd like to. Most folks that I know who've been enjoyed it. - Robert_Wyatt, 03-28-2012 19:12 (Views: 247)

I'd like to go... - Glenn, 03-28-2012 20:11 (Views: 313)

Oh come on - Sycraft, 03-28-2012 17:27 (Views: 274)

are you responding to my post? - P. Briscoe, 03-28-2012 17:47 (Views: 277)

I was mocking Kyle - Sycraft, 03-28-2012 17:53 (Views: 287)

"generally free, generally doing well" Yeah, lemme know when we get there. [nt] - Robert_Wyatt, 03-28-2012 17:58 (Views: 273)

I'm gonna quote #fakeWinstonChurchill* here... - P. Briscoe, 03-28-2012 18:08 (Views: 276)

Yes, both. Have you ever been to a third world country? [nt] - Bean, 03-28-2012 18:05 (Views: 293)

You mean the countries that we export soda and chocolate manufacturing too? - Robert_Wyatt, 03-28-2012 18:13 (Views: 334)

Try one sometime. It might give you a little perspective. - Bean, 03-28-2012 18:18 (Views: 259)

1> If the country sucks it because of globalization (when we aren't propping up dictators) - Robert_Wyatt, 03-28-2012 18:36 (Views: 272)

Ok. Done. - Sycraft, 03-28-2012 18:05 (Views: 310)

Can end hunger with our budget but we prefer to kill brown people. Prosperous and free! [nt] - Robert_Wyatt, 03-28-2012 18:14 (Views: 317)

Robert, just curious...did "we" shoot Trayvon? - P. Briscoe, 03-28-2012 18:32 (Views: 252)

Yes. - Sycraft, 03-28-2012 18:30 (Views: 264)

Go to the MS Delta. 30 minutes from my office. I don't need third world. - Robert_Wyatt, 03-28-2012 18:39 (Views: 246)

The average American lives in the Mississippi delta without electricity or running water? - Bean, 03-28-2012 18:55 (Views: 286)

No, you dense mother fucker, I do. - Robert_Wyatt, 03-28-2012 18:59 (Views: 408)

Technically it's upper middle class. - Bean, 03-28-2012 19:18 (Views: 273)

Probably did have a more varied upbringing than me. I was dirt fucking poor until my teens - Robert_Wyatt, 03-28-2012 19:23 (Views: 321)

/Lister [nt] - Ordeith, 03-28-2012 19:01 (Views: 297)

I don't think fixing it can ever entail letting the system "work itself out". [nt] - Robert_Wyatt, 03-28-2012 17:53 (Views: 249)

It's not throwing *all* of it away. They'll probably have some awesome march music. - Phred, 03-28-2012 17:39 (Views: 261)

C: The one that suggests that maybe we shouldn't throw out the baby with the bathwater... - Paul, 03-28-2012 16:31 (Views: 270)

The dictatorship of the bourgeois hasn't resulted in millions of deaths and suffering? [nt] - Robert_Wyatt, 03-28-2012 17:51 (Views: 286)

Directly attributable, 60,000,000? No.[nt] - Paul, 03-28-2012 18:10 (Views: 283)

Disagree. On both counts. [nt] - Robert_Wyatt, 03-28-2012 18:11 (Views: 284)

That's fine. 60,000,000 deaths in the 20th century, directly attributable to... - Paul, 03-28-2012 18:19 (Views: 229)

Any causality from any war of imperialism? The slave trade? I could go on. [nt] - Robert_Wyatt, 03-28-2012 18:35 (Views: 296)

Directly attributable, 60,000,000. I think I've been clear.[nt] - Paul, 03-28-2012 18:38 (Views: 270)

I dunno what criteria you're using for "direct attribution" - Robert_Wyatt, 03-28-2012 18:57 (Views: 322)

The fact is, by even the most tangential definitions of "attributable." - Paul, 03-28-2012 19:10 (Views: 263)

I'm not the one who brought it up. - Robert_Wyatt, 03-28-2012 19:14 (Views: 251)

nt - P. Briscoe, 03-28-2012 15:33 (Views: 291)

I disagree. Upending due process twice isn't going to fix anything. - Paul, 03-28-2012 15:28 (Views: 324)

Oh, so we have a limit on how often you can upend due process? - Robert_Wyatt, 03-28-2012 15:35 (Views: 259)

Yes, actually. The limit is zero. And don't fucking get shitty with me. - Paul, 03-28-2012 15:42 (Views: 295)

Theoretical limit is zero. Real world has recently produced one incident. [nt] - Robert_Wyatt, 03-28-2012 17:58 (Views: 260)

*Legal limit is zero.[nt] - Paul, 03-28-2012 18:19 (Views: 249)

And when the *Legal system is the one bending that *legal limit? [nt] - Robert_Wyatt, 03-28-2012 19:00 (Views: 298)

Justification for what? Hate crime? [nt] - Ordeith, 03-28-2012 15:26 (Views: 357)

He just wants justice, you freakin' racist pussy ass cracker. - Phred, 03-28-2012 14:04 (Views: 292)

Why is the shooter being called a "cracker"? - Glenn, 03-28-2012 18:08 (Views: 295)

No. Shirts?[nt] - Paul, 03-28-2012 14:05 (Views: 269)

The shirts say "Pussy Ass Cracker." - P. Briscoe, 03-28-2012 14:11 (Views: 365)

Spic is so much more succinct.[nt] - Paul, 03-28-2012 14:12 (Views: 301)

Yep. - Phred, 03-28-2012 14:10 (Views: 328)

Is that getting trademarked too? [nt] - SlartiBartFast, 03-28-2012 17:43 (Views: 248)

They complain about sterotypes and then they pull this crap..... [nt] - Bender, 03-28-2012 14:18 (Views: 277)

Yeah. Black people share one single consciousness. Not racist. [nt] - Robert_Wyatt, 03-28-2012 14:53 (Views: 302)

For the record I know a lot of "THEM" and none of "THEM" own the shirt.[nt] - Paul, 03-28-2012 14:18 (Views: 300)

Anyone know the significance of the "S" and "K" being red?[nt] - Paul, 03-28-2012 14:14 (Views: 264)

It is an abbreviation for SKS, believe it or not - Sycraft, 03-28-2012 17:47 (Views: 275)

Jesus Christ.[nt] - Paul, 03-28-2012 19:10 (Views: 313)

Jesus.[nt] - Paul, 03-28-2012 14:11 (Views: 336)

Actually, could've been even worse if it'd been the right address.[nt] - Paul, 03-28-2012 14:00 (Views: 267)

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